8/23 Cubs get Ramirez

The Cubs claimed right-handed pitcher Neil Ramirez off waivers from the Rangers, and he will be the “player to be named later” to complete the Matt Garza deal. Here’s a scouting report on Ramirez:

Ramirez was the No. 14 prospect on the Rangers’ Top 20 list when he was sent to the Cubs as the player to be named in the Matt Garza deal. The right-hander was initially a supplemental first-round pick in 2007 and developed slowly. He had a huge breakout season in 2011 that saw him pitch at three levels, ending in Triple-A. That momentum didn’t continue in 2012, as he was demoted to Double-A to try and right the ship. He has spent all of 2013 in the Double-A Texas League again and was leading the circuit in strikeouts at the time of the trade. Still only 24, he has an intriguing combination of stuff and command, that if he can rediscover consistency, he has what it takes to be a mid-rotation starter. He can command his fastball well and throws a deceptive changeup. He throws both a slider and curve, with the former the better of the two. Given his up-and-down career, it’s hard to know exactly what Ramirez’s ceiling is. He is still young enough to figure it out and help out a big league rotation in the future.

To refresh your memory, the Cubs sent Garza to the Rangers on July 22 in exchange for right-handed pitcher C.J. Edwards, right-handed pitcher Justin Grimm, third baseman Mike Olt and a player to be named later (now Ramirez).

Olt was batting .121 (12-for-99) in 28 games at Triple-A Iowa with two home runs, two doubles and four RBIs. He was batting .213 in 65 games with Triple-A Round Rock before he was traded. He had vision problems that caused him to miss all of May. Olt batted .288 with 28 home runs and 82 RBIs at Frisco in 2012.

Edwards has a 1.84 ERA in four games with Class A Daytona, striking out 20 over 14 2/3 innings. He was 8-2 with a 1.83 ERA in 18 games with Hickory before he was dealt.

Grimm is 1-3 with a 5.46 ERA in six starts with Iowa, striking out 33 and walking 12 over 31 1/3 innings. He was 1-0 with a 1.59 ERA in one start at Round Rock before the deal.

— Carrie Muskat


Definately like this PTBNL.

I really like this PTBNL. The way that this group (Theo, Jed, and Ricketts) have went about building our minor league system in 2 years is incredible. I am a life long fan and I’m willing to wait a few more years of building to finally be at the top of MLB. I want multiple WS and with the youth we now have gives us a great idea of where to go in the free agency market, when needed. Keep up the good work guys and bring us that title!!! #go Cubs go

Pretty well stated Jole!

You guys make me laugh at how easily you can be duped. Do you think a Hall of Fame pitcher and president of the Rangers, Nolan Ryan is going to give up a potential 15 to 20 game winner in exchange for Garza? Ramirez couldn’t even stay at the AAA level and is struggling at AA. The other 3 players in Olt, Edwards and Grimm are throw ins to fill minor league operations and fill roster holes. The only way there going to see Wrigley is to buy a ticket. We didn’t even get a 2nd rate major league arm for Garza, or a half way decent closer. Epstein, Hoyer & Ricketts however smart they are in evaluating talent wanted to dump a big contract regardless of who they got. And what they got was nothing for the future. And 5 year plans are for the gullible. You want to charge major league prices, then youth or aged must produce, no exceptions. That’s why we have minor leagues. And that’s the way I see it.

They did better than I expected them to do, even if your assessment is true. I never thought much of Garza. What did I want out of him? After trading what were, at the time, top Cubs prospects and an extraordinary part time player, I expected him to be a difference maker. He never was, and I would have been happy with a can of soup for him.

Who said anything about a HOF pitcher Diamondjim? When you say (we) were you apart of this misrable trade you speak of?
Do you understand the word prospect? Or did YOU THINK that the Cubs should have gotten 3 or 4 HOF’ers for a guy who was going to be a FA at the end of the year?
Think about that Diamondjim, a FA at the end of the year that could have left for NOTHING!
I am very thankful you are not part of management.

Speaking as a Rangers fan, I can tell you that most Rangers fans didn’t like giving this much up in exchange for Garza, nobody knows what has Happened to Olt, but if he can straighten himself out he has the potential to be worth Garza straight up, all 3 arms are quality, and no, they may not be ready to contribute at the big league level, but they certainly have significant upside, Ramirez and Edwards both have explosive stuff and work easily in the mid 90’s and touch upper 90’s. Grimm will be a #3 or #4 guy next year, but was rushed by the Rangers this season because of injuries to rotation mates Colby Lewis,Matt Harrison and Neftali Feliz, not to mention the departure of Scott Feldman, of the 4 players Grim is the closest to helping the big club, Olt has the highest ceiling Ramirez is likely a dominant late innings guy and Edwards is a dark horse with #2 starter potential. So all things considered I would have say this was a really good deal for Cubland

That was a very well put post from another perspective Kirby and appreciated from this Cub fan.
Thank you.

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